What lessons did you learn in some of those experiences?

We're all just human beings, and that comes from my mother.

You know, I remember when we were growing up, so it's four of us, and we came home from school, and someone, a teacher, had been annoyed, and you said something about that person which maybe wasn't the kindest word.

And, uh, I don't come from a family where we, where swearing was common at all, but you just said something not so nice, and my mother always stopped us, and she wouldn't accept it.

And she said, "That's also a, a person, a human being." So for me, that's the common thread.

And on my first day in the refugee camp in Calais, I spoke about this.

It was like going back into the Middle Ages.

Okay.