Yes.

Use whatever label and term you want.

And just as I said before, I also approach them with curiosity and compassion.

I mean, if you look at maybe videos of people doing like religious exorcisms, it's very intense, you know, throwing holy water on someone and they're freaking out.

Well, now you just pissed something off that wasn't mad before.

Now you just made a bad problem worse.

You brought a gun to a knife fight and you're wondering why it's freaking out.

What would be something that you would get from like the subconscious perspective or something that she could like lovingly work with or get honest about?