Uh, what have those very different worlds taught you about creating meaningful innovation or change?

Some people think that, to the point that you made, philanthropy, government, kind of startups and technology, that they seem very disparate.

But actually, my work has really been around a couple of through lines.

One- That each of those spaces require bold and courageous leaders that are using their leadership platform and their skills to drive forward change.

And I think that the leaders of today and the leaders of tomorrow, like that future of leadership, requires that we actually be better innovators to navigate some of the big disruptions that we're seeing.

We're seeing, um, kind of social disruption happening.

We're seeing, um, labor market disruption with AI.

... more when they're looking at, you know, whatever, uh, leadership, you know, they're reviewing.