Like do people stay longer and how does that show up in your data?

Yeah.

So we're some that's really kind of still in the early stages.

We went to ESOP in 2023.

So we're about three years in.

And when you make the transition to an ESOP, you buy out the founder.

Right.

Is that, I mean, obviously you could be a generalist and still recommend those channels, but is that what you need?