And going backwards a little bit here, Lee, from your perspective, automation, what is it? I mean, it's one thing we've talked about automation, but people might be saying, well, what are we talking about here? Are we just talking about a pallet changer? Are we talking about a cobot? How is it comprised? It's a good

question.

It's a good question.

So firstly...

To make money from a machining centre, that machining centre's got to be operating.

The spindle's got to be turning, if you like, so the machine's got to be fed.

So in a lot of cases nowadays, a company will machine the component and it'll also deburr the component on the machine so it comes off finished.

When you talk about hourly