Take it away, Lee.

Yeah.

W- Number one, I can't tell you what's really going on, all right? Uh, because my...

You asked me to, to, to do a Homebrew meeting, and d- we did that because we were, um, trying to create something as an alternative to the, uh, certainly the mainframe thinking, uh, the IBM-dominated thinking, um, in the middle '70s.

There was a...

We had an artifact to gather around we don't have here.

That is to say, we had s-, you know, a desperate little company in Albuquerque had put out a, a very sparse, crude personal computer, and it, they got a, uh, you know, thousands of orders for it, more than they could handle.

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