[laughs]

But I can't ever imagine leaving a window out of that process.

That is somewhere I'll use a hero fabric.

That is somewhere where I can create what the client is going to do in that room, what type of lifestyle.

So windows for me are very, very important, and the light that filters through, and that probably lends itself to how I, I will decorate and use the window.

Mm-hmm.

Whatever's gonna end up in the windows is an important fabric, and the conversation then begins, what are we doing with these windows? So it's from the onset, but it's what we wanna achieve in the room, dependent on what room it is, 'cause everything's gonna be different.

And then there's the budget conversation, and it's never fun.