disassociate from the trauma kind of thing? Or,

um, well, I think, uh, you know, if you've ever read into like, um, uh, dad, who is the guy named there? My memory goes again, man.

Um, if you try to, uh, uh, Steiner, there he is.

If you're in the Rudolf Steiner's work, he talks about the guardian and the gateway or the threshold and the guardian of the threshold.

And I think his idea associated with that probably is, to me, the best one, is that it's not so much the trauma that is the experience of having you have these out-of-body experiences, even though sometimes it's associated with that, but seemingly anyways, the experience of working through a terrifying experience is actually what brings awareness to it and allows you to have these unique experiences versus the trauma that So trauma is like, um, I've noticed as well as some other people have noticed that trauma is associated with having out of body experiences, right? Like in lucid dreams, like oftentimes people, or even alien abductions and stuff, you know, like the traumas associated with these people and you're trying to like figure out why, but a lot of these people have worked through their trauma too.

Like it's not so much the trauma itself.

It's allowing them to have these experiences.

So what about some of your UFO experiences then? Did they overlap with the dreams in the military? Was that like legit military UFO experiences or?

Mm-hmm

... and create a mentorship relationship.

Not just between- ...

the, the men and the boys.

Right.

But between the men and the men.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm