It definitely feels

less risky when you're doing it with others.

However, in hindsight, you learn a lot of things.

You learn that actually you're very much, despite being a spinout, you're very much viewed as a startup.

And then you almost have more mouths to feed.

So in some ways, it's more challenging, I would say, in the sense that there was a lot more people.

and we all left our roles but we were still supporting our old roles as well in the very initial days so that that took a little while to disentangle we had different challenges than a startup typical startup but we also had a lot more people as well which would make you think we would go faster the volume of people And the amount of organisation we had to do probably slowed us down a little bit, I think.

Was it written in the stars as this was where you were going to get to?