When we say green and digital transitions can deepen existing inequalities, what do we mean in practice? Could you each give one or two real-world examples? Let's start with you, Laurent.

Thank you for having me, and thank you for having me on this podcast because I think this is a, a much deeper political question, and so I'm very thankful to DG Employment and to this podcast.

The first thing I would say is that these are transformations and not transitions.

This is the third wave of risk after, you know, the industrial and post-industrial risk.

These are new eco-social risks.

This is a new material world out there, both in terms of digital and green aspects.

So we're facing a new material world that means concretely heat waves, the prices of inflation, uh, induced by climate change.

We often talk about helping vulnerable groups to adapt, but is there a risk that this puts too much responsibility on people to adjust instead of questioning how the transition itself is being designed? Laurent?