Did that work for you?

I loved that, and I love actually going back to the end of The Social Network with Jesse Eisenberg, where he's sitting in a big boardroom.

He's secured Facebook for himself in that movie, but he's sitting, he started the film being dumped, and he's ending it refreshing constantly a friend request for some hot girl who he hopes will answer the friend request.

And he's in the trap that we were all in.

But that trap was about interpersonal relations.

Will they friend me? Have they messaged me? That was the early Facebook.

In this first scene you're mentioning in this film, the trap is now one of surveillance.

Do you think this film i- is, will move the dial, or it's just responding to the fact that that's happening?

Tell me, how did that start?

So I'm one of three siblings and my older sister and brother, they're six years and eight years old.

My brother in particular was all about the Doctor Who of the 70s.

So I was born in 1980.

And I remember my parents owned a hotel, a smallish 20 bedroom hotel, which was really just a big sort of double breasted Victorian house in a street in Newcastle.

And we lived there in the mid 80s.

And my first glimpses of Doctor Who were just on a TV somewhere in the lounge.

And then how do you think that then, did Doctor Who then inform anything about yourself, who you are, what you did? What do you see it as? Where do you place Doctor Who in your life?

Cuddle in, but don't fall asleep yet.

I was sort of feeling quite dismayed because I thought I know that storytelling is at the heart of the human experience.

It's stories that I tell myself of little snippets that relatives have told me over the years.

It's so foundational and lovely.

And so we're clearly dealing with a double edged thing here.

And so part of what I was working on in the book, Picnic on the lightning was to think about, um, How do we deploy stories in nonviolent ways, ways that don't reduce the world, that somehow make us more alert and enliven us to its mysteries? So that was sort of the starting point.

So I sort of would go back and think about the children's stories had meant a lot to me growing up.

In some ways, we're so extrinsic, like it's so about what you look like or what the story is or how many other people care before we'll go in rather than your own inner sense of a moral compass.