And the left, mixed with political Islam, seems all the more willing to be violent about it.

Yes, except here we have a robust debate between conservatives and progressives about whether we want the future of our country to look like this or not.

And we have robust debates about things like a wealth tax, a Things like Medicare for all that we simply cannot afford.

And, you know, to the credit of France's leadership for the past 10 years, they have been working hard to give people exactly what they've asked for.

And they've been debating since 2014, a 75 percent wealth tax implemented it.

repealed it because revenue was going down.

They lost 1,000 of the richest people in the country, and then only 300 of them came back.

And

Okay, so you guys don't see any difference, that this generation isn't more prone to this kind of behavior?

I don't think so.

Look, I know sexual assaults statistics very well.

I know porn usage statistics pretty well.

I teach women in politics at Princeton.

Sexual assault much less common today than it was 10 or 20 years ago.

Rates of porn use, very similar to what they were in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, no matter what the content of the porn.

And that young men are starting to look at young women the same way they look at women in porn.

And Lauren, it occurred to me that Lane Kiffin's ego almost qualifies him now to be a television news anchor.

You would know.

I mean, I don't know if you know this though.

People love football, but even more, they love revenge, Leland.

So there's your, is that some cutting edge analysis, sports analysis for you? You're welcome.

Yeah.

I

Thank you very much for

Lauren, if there is this rejection of the establishment, where does Donald Trump and now his heir apparent, J.D. Vance, fall in the establishment as the president and vice president?

Well, they are the sitting establishment.

I mean, even though the message is populist and the message is mixed on things like foreign policy and approaches to the economy, the average American sees them in control of the White House and the country.

And so the trouble is, if you don't like the way things are going, it's harder to get elected.

But the problem for Democrats is They're just going all in, still, apparently haven't learned the lesson from 2024, that everyone hates Trump and that's what we're going to do.

But if you ask simple questions—and I do think either J.D. Vance or Mokr Rubio would be very good at this in 2028—about what are your proposed solutions, there's really nothing there.

The substance is not there on the policies.

Even though it's true, it's not how people feel.

I think, Lauren, who's in for Katie, the political establishment of both sides has decided that the Epstein files are a loser.

Yeah, and no one can get enough, apparently, of Prince Andrew.

We're covering it.

We've got a royal watcher.

We're on Harry.

We're on Meghan.

We've got it all.

You're all

Neither party right now is interested in trying to win the middle.

Yeah, I think that's true.

And so I think the problem is the normies are voting for the crazies.

I mean, that's certainly the problem with Democrats.

I mean, you can look at the last two barely lost cases as you did.

But look at Al-Sayed.

He won.

Lauren, putting you to this question on the Democratic side, is there enough anger inside the Democratic Party to break off if the socialists take over, or are they just going to go along?

Who gets to decide what's a referendum on?

I mean, Michiganders get to decide, but I would just say we have a responsibility in both parties to explain how these socialist ideas do not work.

I mean, I know the ideas Julian was referencing.

It's wealth confiscation.

It's taking over private companies.

It's crazy, crazy stuff that has never, ever worked.

Yes, and by the way, let's torch the Constitution, get rid of the Senate, and get rid of the Supreme Court.

I see you sort of waffling your

How effective will those kind of attacks be, and can El-Sayed's brand of economic populism, from your perspective, does it have a chance in Michigan?

Well, first of all, you know, Donald Trump, that's low-hanging fruit that he is truthing out or whatever you call his social media platform.

The only hope for Republicans right now in this country with such an unpopular president and a lagging economy is the obscenity of the positions of these Democrats that are running in states.

And so, yes, it was razor-thin.

I hear the former congressman.

I wish he was still in Congress.

Yeah.

But you have ideas that are not tolerant, that are not mainstream, and he's going to cost Democrats their path in Michigan, just like they lost their path in Maine.

That's why he won.

75% of Democrats say they would vote for a socialist for president.

That's just a recent Washington Post polls.

There are a dozen like that.

I think the mayor's being much too kind to this guy.

I don't think you or any responsible, uh, government official would say Israel and Hamas are on equal ethical footing.

It's just a very controversial thing to say.

Is the message for Republicans out of this, "Hey, we don't have to do anything because people are gonna be so turned off by El-Sayed?"

Does that explain everything?

No, I think if Democrats were serious about that, they would try to replace him with another radical left progressive, but it doesn't really look like that's the way that they're heading.

You know, for Susan Collins, she's probably a little bit sad today.

She'd rather run against this guy than your average Democrat.

Lauren, I'm sadly coming to the conclusion that it doesn't matter whether people are telling the truth.

Well, let's see.

On August 4th, I don't know yet.

I still have a little bit of hope that maybe this is not the person Democrats would choose.

Lauren, is there anything in the polling that suggests other Democrat, not Kamala Harris, not Joe Biden, would have beat Donald Trump? No,

not if they adopted the Joe Biden agenda, which was extraordinarily unpopular.

There was record high inflation.

There were so many problems, which is why Trump won, who was not exactly an easy candidate to run.

The bigger problem Democrats have is the progressives are the base of the party now.

There are 100 members of the Progressive Caucus in Congress.

100% of them voted... not to give any more military aid to Israel under any circumstances.

You're going to have one in D.C. Is it time to give up the ghost that there is a centrist Democratic Party?

Lauren, is there anything in the polling that suggests other Democrat, not Kamala Harris, not Joe Biden, would have beat Donald Trump? No,

not if they adopted the Joe Biden agenda, which was extraordinarily unpopular.

There was record high inflation.

There were so many problems, which is why Trump won, who was not exactly an easy candidate to run.

The bigger problem Democrats have is the progressives are the base of the party now.

There are 100 members of the Progressive Caucus in Congress.

100% of them voted... not to give any more military aid to Israel under any circumstances.

You're going to have one in D.C. Is it time to give up the ghost that there is a centrist Democratic Party?

But the buck should stop with the president.

It does.

And I think J.D. Vance is in an impossible position.

I mean, it's a flawed deal for all of the reasons my co-panelists just mentioned.

But J.D. Vance has to go out there and sell it and explain it.

And I actually think he's done as good of a job as you could with this material deal as you could.

I mean, he's been factual.

But could you make a case for this? I think that.

But what about that part of it? I love the inflation, Lauren.

Oh, strange talking point.

I would not have recommended it.

But, you know, the sad part is I think the administration can still make the case in the ongoing days, and I agree with Paul that this might be about to get much more aggressive, that the Iranians are not playing a fair game here.

They want to kill our armed services members.

They want to kill innocent Israelis.

They're gonna start lobbing bombs into civilian centers.

Um, how do you kind of look at it and put it in the proper perspective politically?