Yes.

It is.

And so the accepting that I actually am not needed anywhere in, in not in a bad way, but, like, these artists, sometimes it's seasonal.

Sometimes it is the state of, of life that they were in, that I was in.

You know? I have a baby, and so it was pre-mom duties, when I could go and spend weeks on the road-

Uh-huh.

And that was, like, kind of the first introduction into, like, oh, this is, like st- this is, like, songwriting.

This is, um, how publishing works.