It was a different time, Oliver.

But, yeah, no, we're doing well.

I'm doing well, as well as one can be.

And very proud that I get to... get to show little girls, someone like Katie Taylor, who, as I said, put boxing on the map for women and a sport that's, you know, hugely dominated by men.

Like I remember growing up, you know, watching like the Barry McGuigans and Steve Collins and being like, you know, great when you see them on an international stage.

But, you know, you very rarely get to see a female representing internationally like that.

And, you know, growing up, we all know I've met Katie Taylor.

Do you remember much about that interview?

Mm

... as opposed to shame on the photographers who would lie on the ground and take pictures up the skirt.

And I remember once a picture of me getting out of a car, and it was so embarrassing, and they took a picture as I was stepping out, and it was ...

And I, normally I speak up, but I was too afraid to say anything, 'cause I'm like, "If I say something, it'll draw attention to the photo, so I'm not gonna say anything." And also, I, I, I remember speaking to a, um, a- another, uh, person in the industry who I've huge respect for, who's a bit older than me, and who I love and admire and look up to, and I remember saying to her, "Oh, God, like, this is horrible." And she went, "Oh, no, this is just part of it." And I realized, oh, the older generation of women are so used to this-

Yeah

... and so stuck.

N- not that she was saying it out of a bad, it wasn't out of badness, but I said, "Oh, you're so blinded, and you're so used and accustomed to being treated this way that you think it's normal." I've come over from Ireland kind of fresh-faced, goingThis isn't right.

Um, and actually it was nearly like the next generation, it was Gina Martin who reached out to me.