so all right, tell everybody to begin with about dancing, about how this come about for you because you actually worked yourself kind of a, uh, pretty much a, a dance business for the most part.

Um, yeah, I've started to call a lot more, and I started going to the Swannanoa Gathering at Warren Wilson College close to 30 years ago.

I've lost track, and that's where I learned with, um, Rodney Sutton and Phil Jamison, Gordie Heners.

Right.

I did ballet for seven years.

Um, and then I got interested in the, in the clogging, and then I took, I took tap as a kid.