Before we talk about what happened, I would love to hear a little bit about you.

Sure.

I have been a journalist for 32 years, 34 years.

Mostly was in newspapers.

I was the business of food reporter at the Washington Post for a long time.

And prior to that, I was a features writer and the food critic for the Tampa Bay Times.

I worked at the San Francisco Chronicle, at the Baltimore Sun, so many, many years in newspapers.

Before we talk about artificial intelligence and how these companies should be developing their tools, could you explain to us a little bit more about the answers that ChatGPT was giving while she was clearly sharing her pain?

Laura says ChatGPT did not kill Sophie, but it didn't really help her either.

I think I'm really very consciously trying to not blame ChatGPT for what happened to Sophie.

She used it as a tool and it had some shortcomings that may have hurt her or made it more likely the, that, that the outcome, the unfortunate outcome that happened did.

Um, you know, I think another thing that I've, I've spent a lot of time thinking about is that for Sophie-... her use of the tool, um, made it harder for us to see the magnitude of her pain that she was hiding from us.

Using it as a resource, maybe using it as her confidant in a way that she felt she couldn't use us.

Um, and also, she would go into a room and come out a little while later with a game plan or with a, a, a, an itinerary for herself, um, that to us seemed reasonable and seemed like, oh, evidence of, you know, kind of having her act together.

Um, I, clearly she was desperately afraid of us thinking of her as a hot mess, you know? That was something she'd never been her whole life and it was very uncomfortable.

Do, do you take that energy that says, "This stuff is knowable and someone needs to figure out how to make that information available to the public," and say, "Okay, there needs to be a law"? Like, what, what do, what do you take from this and, and, and do with that ball of questions?