It

feels like we can have a rational conversation.

And I think that's a very problematic place for public health to be, especially given what we've seen in this country in the last six or seven years where public health, trust in public health has eroded in this country.

People don't want to vaccinate their kids anymore.

They're making all of these health-based decisions based on either confusing or conflicting information.

They're turning away from those trusted government sources and they're finding it more on the internet or from echo chambers.

that validate things they may already believe.

What's your message to both groups?