up to you.

Everything caught up.

It was wild.

And so I ended up taking two months off of work on sick leave because of the depth of... all emotional and physical symptoms that I was experiencing.

And during that time, I remember thinking, oh God, like, am I, is this the end? Because I felt like I was disqualified in my caregiving role.

was all the symptoms included, like being crabby with my kids and short-tempered with my husband and avoiding friendships and all of the classic symptoms of fatigue and burnout.

And so I was like, I had all of this guilt and shame around being a bad mother, a bad spouse, a terrible friend.

Where does that come into some of the stuff that you're helping churches with and equipping them?

And so a man, a male who feels lonely, depressed, suicidal, sad, and all that stuff, so is sex like a drug for them? And so they need it so much like a cocaine person or pothead or something? Is sex like a drug for that man? No.

No, I don't.

I mean, if a man is suicidal and lonely, it may not be that the sexual issues that he's encountering is the only thing that's causing him to feel like that.

But what I would say is that perhaps it's, linked to attachment, you know, that human beings are, the way that we are made is that we require close bonds with the people that we're closest to.

Certainly as infants, that's sort of well understood that a human baby is born pretty useless.

if they don't have that nurturing, that holding, that physical, physiological closeness that literally human beings don't wire the same.

So we now know that the prefrontal cortex is underdeveloped when we're born and it's touch, it's the skin to skin contact and the constant regulating of that baby's nervous system, that it's those experiences experiences, Jesse, that wire the brain and the nervous system properly.

Why is it that it's hard for women to forgive than it is for men?

... a drug for that man?

No, I don't.

I mean, if a man is s- suicidal and lonely, it may, it may not be that the se- the sexual issues that he's encountering is the only, the only thing that's, that's causing him to feel like that.

But what I would say is that, that, that perhaps it, it's linked to, to attachment, you know, that, that human beings are, um...

The way that we're, the way that we are made is that we require close bonds with, with the people that we're closest to.

Certainly as infants, that, that's sort of well understood that a, a human baby is born pretty useless.

If they don't have, if they don't have that nurturing, that holding, that physical, physiological closeness, that, that literally human beings don't wire the same.

... it's hard for women to forgive than it is for men?

All men hate their mothers, and all women hate their fathers.

If you forgive the archetype, then you start to actually see your spouse.

I think women's hearts have gone black or something.

All men hate their mothers, and all women hate their fathers.

If you forgive the archetype, then you start to actually see your spouse.

I think women's hearts have gone black or something.