Yeah, that's a long title

... [laughs] so what that means is, um, I would go and I would be like, we would put together like how does the data flow when it comes down from the satellite? What do we need to check? Like, what, like what measurements if they go out of bounds do we have to alert the operators? How do we test that the operators know what they're doing? Like, um, there's some stories.

Um, the Japanese, uh, satellite I worked on was called XRISM.

It's X-R-I-S-M. Um, and we were talking, it is the, it was the fourth attempt working with the Japanese on this X-ray telescope.

There were major problems with the previous three attempts.

The first one, uh, they lost at launch.

It blew up.

Tell, tell us about that.

My eyes have seen the glory My ears can hear the call My heart is beating faster But I have no fear at all My lips can taste the victory The victory for all As we go marching on Ever stronger as I try With everything that's in me This hope will never die The call is even louder When I hear the battle cry all that's in marching on Carry me.

Why would they keep these records?

It's a very interesting question, and I don't know the answer.

I can opine.

I have two theories.

One is that this is a very sophisticated network, and they're very structured and hierarchical, and their records are very important to them.

And the individual who is entrusted with maintaining those records was not what we would call an exposed individual.

You're exposed guys.

What was their defense?

You were talking about the influence that he has had on it that you can tell by listening to.

Yes, I admire Ben Foster's work in general.

And so when I started to research him, having discovered him through Doctor Who, I realised that the orchestration, he's doing a lot of heavy lifting there in comparison with his original work.

I'm not sure.

I think Murray might come from maybe a pop or rock background and not necessarily an orchestral one.

And so their teamwork is... is yeah fantastic and you hear the use of the woodwinds over the top and the strings being the bass and yeah yeah beautifully orchestrated

Legally that didn't

happen.