Let's bring you back in here, Lars, and when you were talking about the involvement of Europe, I mean, what role can it play?

Well, Europe is and always has been extremely important for Ukraine.

Ever since Trump stopped giving away, as he would put it, weapon systems to Ukraine, Europe has been the ones that have been paying for these weapons, which are crucial for Ukraine's defence.

So in terms of both... diplomatic support and military support, Europe is key.

Of course, this is very much in Europe's self-interest.

And I do understand that being in America, it feels far more distant, this war.

It is on Europe's borders.

How does that sharpen minds when it comes to trying getting the Ukrainian president and Steve Witkoff from the US together in one room?