Going back to the initial dismissal from Vicious Rumors back in February to where it got to where you, uh, had to, uh, resign from the band.

Well, you know, you go way back to the beginning, uh, it's been a rather rocky, a tumultuous affair from the beginning.

I mean, uh, you know, VR came from, uh, a place, uh, you know, you know, from, from Bay Area.

In the '80s we were just all on board, you know.

We just wanted to rock out.

We wanted, you know, wanted to make great music.

We had an incredible, uh, lineup that, you know, uh, people call that the classic.

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