If you look like maybe at your own future outlook in this industry, are you scared? Are you hopeful? What do you think are like the challenges that you will experience over the next 20 years and how will the young generation cope with it?

Yes, so I think it's quite difficult in the wine business at the moment.

And I think it will be difficult in the future too.

But yeah, me as a young winemaker, I have the chance to bring new ideas, fresh ideas.

And I think when you are starting in the wine business now, you need to have these ideas.

Otherwise, you shouldn't start.

And that's a big chance for the wine business at the moment, because now there is a generation coming from young people having an idea, having a vision and having an idea how to solve the problems or maybe not, but They want to try it.

Chardonnay, okay.