maybe what we'll do is so normally i like to start the pod like understanding how you you know fell into this kind of uh alternative music hardcore punk metal whatever lance i'm really excited to hear your your you know kind of come up story in the ska scene i i know that uh you were a big fan of the specials and um and you know all joking aside How did this all come together for you, Lance? Like, find a place and we'll start there.

So I would actually love to tell you, Mike, come up in the Ska scene, if that's where we're going to start.

Was that actually, all joking aside, one of the best people in Ottawa is a guy named Ska Jeff.

Ska Jeff.

I knew it.

I knew you were going to say Ska Jeff.

Yeah, just like there wouldn't substance wouldn't have got to do anything without him.

Lance, do you want to tell your gorgeous story?