So what was pulling you to try to go someplace new?

I kind of had this epiphany that, like, you need to sometimes get outside your comfort zone.

And so I just thought to myself, "If I don't get outside my comfort zone, I may," and I try to live my life with very few, if any, regrets, "but I may regret that." And so I decided to kind of get outside my comfort zone.

And a lot like leaving clinical medicine, it sure feels scary [laughs] at the beginning.

Um, but often you look back, sometimes months and often years later, and you think, "Hey, that was the right decision.

That was the right decision to make." And I often think about, I had a really great, um, mentor, uh, Clive Meanwell, who's, um, quite, quite, um, well known now, particularly he, he was the CEO and founder of The Medicines Company, and then later, um, met Sarah.

But he talked about something called lifetime impact as well, and he kinda...

What makes a good partner to Beacon Therapeutics?