Can you say really quickly the kind of people you worked with? When you say these people, who were they?

Okay, so one cluster was a group of about 20 women in this town called Pattamadai, and they weave grass mats.

And that's been their generational profession for years.

That craft is local to that region.

And the other group I interacted with was in an urban environment in Bangalore in a modern design studio.

They were block print artists and they were not generational artists.

They'd been trained by the studio.

But then later I realized that accountability is a lot much a lot harder than just being punished once and for all and yeah getting away with it and that's how I see look at fines and stuff as well you pay a fine once and you like you're done you don't really have to do much about it but actually having to improve conditions or improve things is so much harder and like the much harder