Here's Kylie.

I am a mindset coach and personal growth specialist.

I run the Spiral Institute, which teaches practitioners an emotional regulation process and transformational protocol called the Spiral.

And I've developed a process utilizing those tools and applying them to the drama triangle, which is a relational challenge that we have.

And when we're in kind of conflict or drama or upset, reactivity, when we can apply emotional awareness to those roles in the drama triangle, then we can really transform our conditioning and start to make better, wiser people.

more empowered choices so yeah i've been doing it for 23 years and i'm kind of obsessed with it and i think it's probably one of the most important things that we can do for humanities so so i'm kind of jammed about it

What becomes possible for humanity? God,

this is amazing.

Mm-hmm

... is Dr. Stephen Karpman and transactional analysis, which is where the drama triangle comes from.

His version is the victim, the rescuer, and the perpetrator.

And so I learned that many years ago and was kind of just working with that triangle model in my NLP trainings, my coach trainings with my clients, and, and there was one time, maybe it was, I think it was about 10 years ago, I was in a training and I was, like, drawing it up on the whiteboard, and I kind of usually drew it with the, the triangle, you know, the kind of base at the bottom like a pyramid.

And I was like, "Oh, hang on.

That's, that's not right." And I kind of got a download of, like, "No, I'm gonna invert it so the victim is at the bottom, and the rescuer, and the, the aggressor." So I changed the name to the aggressor because I find that perpetrator people really struggle to relate to because they're like-

... yielded to you?

Oh.

And if you have a coach that's not supporting that, that's not a great coach.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you for saying that.

And I think there's some interesting pieces about, about that because I, I can't remember if I might've said it in your NLP training, but it's like, why would you not want to be your best self and work towards that? Because the time is going to pass anyway.

So it's like, you can spend, you know, It might take five years or 10 years or 17 years to get to the place where you're in your ultimate happiness, but that time is going to pass anyway.

So why would you not want to be constantly improving yourself? It doesn't matter how long it takes, as long as you're continuing to progress.

And the work that you do and thinking about the difference between credibility and visibility, how would you, in your words, empower somebody through that framework to be both at the same time? Credibly visible.