Um, when someone walks into your clinic though, Callie, what, what are they actually going to experience and what are you assessing? So are they on a bed? Are they in a seat? Are they walking around? How do you touch them? I mean, really get granular for us because I think m- honestly, many parents really, really don't know what it is.

So actually, the first thing that we do is we talk to them.

So we, the very first kind of, all we want to know about is their story.

I believe that every person has a story that has very similar parts to it when we've ended up with a picture of multiple signs and symptoms for various different problems, whether that's a baby, a newborn baby coming in that a mother has had a very stressful pregnancy, and that baby's come out fight-flight, um, because that's what the mother was like during the pregnancy, and that's the hormones that were, that were released in the pregnancy that created that tension hold.

Whether that's a child that has had abs- been absolutely fine most of its childhood and since been pretty adaptive, but then suddenly got a bug or a virus or had a significant fall and everything shifted and changed.

So these things can happen at different times, so it's really important for us to really understand the story of how the nervous system has kind of lived so far, whether that's a child or an adult.

And I still ask adults when we speak to them on the phone as well about, you know, what was your story like? How was your mum's pregnancy? You know, we meet a lot of adults now that are very happy to reach out to us for, or they're referred in through anxiety issues and stress response issues, and they're like, they have this language and they know they need to improve it, but they're not quite sure where to go to do it.

Mm