I guess I'm curious, when you first started to recently, how has professional sports treated things like mental health differently over the years?

It's fascinating.

So, you know, when I first started with Cleveland, I think Cleveland was one of like four, maybe three or four organizations that had full-time psychs dedicated in the space.

And it was...

Baseball always had EAP for some support off the field.

There were like four or five organizations that had performance sites dedicated to helping you on field and performance.

When I started in Pittsburgh, the numbers weren't that much different.

And I guess I'm wondering, when you think about the athletes over the years you've worked with, what are some of the ways in which they cope? What do they do to kind of reduce stress?

... new employees or bringing somebody new in?

So, um, yeah, no, I love this question, and it's actually in, in all honesty probably the first question I got when, when I started.

Uh, it wasn't consulting, but a guy reached out and said, "Hey, I need to hire a pitching coach." Um, you know, I, I think we obsess over hiring when it comes to players, right? We obsess over recruiting, we obsess over scouting, but then when we start hiring coaches, we almost see it as like a burden I have to do.

Um, and so I think the first tip is I have to understand that my job is to...

I, I'm...

I have to always be looking for talent.

Um, and so because who I hire on my staff, way more important.

When did the light bulb go on, or who nudged you to get the Navy SEALs involved?