[laughs]

And they were coming where we cooking the book, you know what I mean? To try and discourage us from...

And obviously because the industry we work in, because we work in the oil and gas industry, we're like subcontractors.

They say, "Well, it's not us." Like, you know, "We, we're not the ones who will actually pay your wages to a certain extent.

It's the oil and gas companies." So saying it's, we're gonna have to go to the oil and gas companies.

Also coming away with facts and figures trying to put to the membership, they're scaring them was, "This is gonna cost you more for your pension.

This is gonna...

Mm.