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Kyle Gardner

Kyle Gardner

Chief Operating Officer of NIC MAP, the senior housing data and analytics provider, and a frequent guest on Bridge the Gap: The Senior Living Podcast.

Sep 21, 2026

3:09
Any thoughts there?
3:10
Yeah, I'd love to jump in.
3:12
You know, I'd kind of push back on the we're starting to adopt it.
3:16
And I would say, you know, LLMs have already been adopted, whether people call them that or not.
3:23
ChatGPT has a billion monthly active users.
3:26
Google's publicly talked about their Gemini product line having a billion monthly active users.
3:33
So, you know, there's probably some overlap in those two groups, but that means one in eight people on the planet is using an AI at least once a month.

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12:48
Arbitrage.
2:25
Kyle, let's dive into some of the data to say, where are we right now? So in our
2:31
latest published data, we have shown that the primary markets, the 31 largest metros in the country are around 89%.
2:42
uh, occupied across, you know, what we call senior housing.
2:46
So ILAL memory care, and that is on the back of like three and a half years of continuous occupancy improvement.
2:55
So really nice traction, uh, and performance across markets, um, in senior housing, uh, When you zoom out a little bit more and you go and look at the primary and the secondary, so now you're looking at the top 100 markets in the country based on size, occupancies in the low 90s, like 90.5, something like that.
3:17
So all markets across the country tend to be improving.
3:21
Some are getting better, better being just filling up faster than others.

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18:36
So the question is like, how can we release them back to do more of that um and versus you know lock them in front of a desktop
6:27
So tell me about that.
6:29
Yeah.
6:29
So NIC Map has been known as the tool to help with site selection and market research for the longest time.
6:35
And our data has always been used in underwriting packages, investment committee briefs, in market studies or feasibility studies.
6:44
And we've realized with the data we have, with the s- um, experience on our team, a mix of operators, investors, brokers, developers, and with new technologies that we've built over the last few years, we could take our product from providing data to providing answers.
7:03
And so Deal Intelligence helps you screen and underwrite deals in a few minutes by just uploading a rent roll and an income statement, and you get three outputs from that.
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You get a 80 to 90 page full deal evaluation that shows you every aspect of the deal, every aspect of the market.
12:04
Okay.

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