What specific regulatory changes would you think could actually reduce the harm here?

Yeah, that's a really good question.

I mean, I think generally, I think it's important just to note that like dietary supplements like creatine, protein, et cetera, they don't go through the same type of regulatory process as like a pharmaceutical.

You know, while there are some needs for like, safety, kind of efficacy, if you will, of claims that are made about these different products.

They're not at the same high standard that those pharmaceuticals follow.

So I think that's an important distinction.

I think some people just assume that they're on the market, they're safe, they can be used, right? But there are side effects that kind of come from them.

And I'd be curious to get your perspective on this.

So I'm wondering, when you look at your son, um, which I would love to know his age, but I know he's young, um, what do you see yourself, um, or what do you notice that you're protecting around him? What are you worried about and maybe what are you encouraged about?

Yeah.

So, uh, my son is, uh, six years old.

He'll be seven at the end of the summer, and so he's a first-grader.

Um, and, you know, believe it or not, already as a first-grader, he is already talking about [laughs] his muscles, and often, I would say, like, almost every day, kinda comes up to me and, like, flexes his l- arms, and is like, "Look at my muscles," and, "They're growing," and, um, is really just, like, uh, focused on his body in a way that, uh, as you can imagine, like, I'm not [laughs] at home, like, flexing my muscles in front of him, uh, or talking about my muscles or, or anything like that.

Um, so he's really...

I, I think what I, the takeaway I get from that is that at this really young age of six years old, you know, he's already being socialized into, uh, masculinity and muscularity as being this, like, really intertwined thing, um, that these young boys, even as, as young as six years old are, are experiencing this social pressure or are seeing muscular bodies through, you know, TV or video games or just through conversation with their peers.

Are they playing a significant role? Has this always existed and things are the same, or have things gotten more severe or concerning as a result of social media and ads and things like that?