And it's like, it's hard for a lot of us to do it because we weren't ever really taught, even to the point where we know in our friend group, who's going to ask questions and who's not, who's going to allow us just to kind of do our own thing.

Yeah, for sure, 100%.

So that was where it really all started at.

And I was a furniture mover before all that, before I switched the job.

So I'm telling you, I mean, I'm 30 years old at this time.

I'm in honestly really good physical shape, probably about 220 pounds.

Pretty stalky guy.

I don't think a lot of people can actually describe what what you're going through and how you're going through this.