to hear another.

Excellent.

Well, so another one, I'm going to share you one actually that is just front of mind for me.

So I have a podcast called Hunger and Heart.

which is about this.

It's about the intersection of wild ambition and fierce compassion.

How can we be radically hungry while also caring for ourselves and each other, right? Not being kind of dicks about it.

this.

wrong, if my thinking is wrong.

Yeah, I mean, I hope so.

Like, I feel like there are a lot of people who can be really outstanding leaders and who have a kind of a blockage when it comes to money.

And so I think, you know, there's a thing there of, you know, that saying like, do what you love and the money will follow.

And lots of people try that and it doesn't work.

And so I don't want people to feel like, oh, I must be failing at doing what I love, right? Hang on a second, I'm just gonna have a little throat lozenge here.

Bear with me.

You have this amazing emotional maturity and you're training the future leaders of the world in New Zealand, right? I want to know, I want to get inside your brain for a minute there and understand what does success actually feel like from the inside? And does it look like what you've imagined?