How was it possible this happened?

It's truly horrific, and when you look at it, you look at the infiltration of a gender ideology into medicine, and primarily coming from an organization, the World Professional Association of Transgender Health, which has pushed this idea of transitioning kids.

And in fact, their recent standard of care that came out just a few years ago, there really are no age limits in terms of these procedures.

There's only an age limit on phalloplasty, which is 18, but everything else has no age limit whatsoever.

And much as you mentioned, that was actually a product of pressure from the Biden administration at the time to remove those age limits.

And that was done so there would be less of an issue in terms of the courtroom and legal challenges that might come as a result of these harmful procedures being done to kids.

And that same organization, WPATH, had actually commissioned systematic reviews to be done by Johns Hopkins to help gain more information about what these procedures are.

But what does an overwhelmed parent do when all of society in which she or he is in is telling them to turn your child over to the woke medical profession? What should a parent do?

But when you then lay on top of it this huge profit motive that your organization, Do No Harm, revealed earlier this year as well, just because of the, uh, the insurance coding, I mean, a lot of people are making an awful lot of money at the expense of young people and their health and safety.

I- it's tragic.

Um, we, we created a database that looked at claims from 2019 to 2023, and what you see there is nearly $120 million of claims related to these interventions on kids.

A- and we believe that that's an undercounting because there's some hospitals and, and claims that we don't even have in our database that we weren't able to obtain.

It, it is a huge amount of money.

And when you look at it, and I think the, the report here from HHS does highlight it, you look at the lifetime cost of medications, anywhere from 25 to $75,000.

So you look at the cost of surgeries, anywhere from 100 to $170,000, and that doesn't include other interventions, voice therapies, hair removals, fertility preservation, and it says nothing in terms of the psychological consequences that we brought upon an individual.

How widespread is this, are we beginning to believe?

Tell us a little bit about the moment of opportunity awaiting us all.

Absolutely.

You know, it's unfortunate the American Medical Association has just truly lost its way in terms of being an organization about physicians and patients and promoting good quality healthcare.

But there, there is an opportunity in this recent proposal that, uh, Medicare has issued really calling for information and comments related to the influence of the AMA and the CPT billing system.

So you see, the AMA has a monopoly over the codes that are used for billing, and in fact, it brings the AMA about 340 or so million dollars of revenue each year, and that was what was in 2025, and that's nearly two-thirds of its revenue.

A- and that money is just an enormous amount of money that goes for, from royalties and credentialing fees a- and really lets the AMA be disconnected from the physician community.

In fact, physicians and, and membership dues are only about 6% of AMA's revenue.

quality.Do you think the tide has begun to turn? Do you see signs of moments of reflection, of self-in-introspection inside the medical profession, inside the AMA? Or was, uh, the testimony a couple weeks ago just a show trial with no real impact?

Dr. Kurt Miceli is the medical director of Do No Harm, an organization that opposes identity politics in medicine.

Th- there's no doubt, uh, ideology has played a substantial role in, in this area of medicine, and-

He says that activists drove the rapid acceptance of transgender ideology by presenting transgenderism as a human rights issue, not by examining the medical evidence.

When you have medical associations that are issuing strong position statements, they effectively then become treated as de facto standards of care.

You're trying to make them into something they're not.

Yeah, this is definitely a different ballgame.

And like you say, I mean, these are children.

They're developing.

They're learning.

They're trying to understand life and the experiences that they're having and to sort of, again, push them down a pathway that leads to significant harms is not the way to go.

when there are other options in terms of providing a therapeutic environment where we can treat the psychiatric illness that might be going on, whether it's depression, anxiety, autism, whatever it might be, or process the traumas that they've been through, or recognize the harms that social media might be causing them of moving them into a dark space, or just allowing their parents to have good family therapy with them.

So it could be a phase your kid is going through and you're making it permanent.

But is it a law, or is it a rule coming from HHS? We don't really know why it's happening.

It, it's a great question that you ask, and I, I think much of this goes back really probably to the 1970s or so, and that relates to family planning a- and the like and related to contraceptive care.

And part of the thought was that these are sensitive topics that a child may not want their parent to be aware of or such, and, uh, the thought being that, well, we would rather have the child get access in terms of their health.

Again, this is, you know, viewed from the lens of more of a preventative type of philosophy, and we would rather that the child get access where they feel uncomfortable with talking about things perhaps related to contraceptive care, perhaps related to sexually transmitted infections.

And, and as such, at a certain age, states have allowed those children, those adolescents to be able to access that care, consent for it themselves without parents then knowing about it.

And, and that's extended a bit to also treatment for substance use disorders, so whether it r- might relate to, again, a child who might be addicted to alcohol or opiates or, or the like, a- and even then to, to some mental health.

And so, you know, each state has laws on its books typically related to those issues.

They're actually in the wrong body."