Now, was there in your life in the military a defining moment, or even before the military, when you realized how much you needed God?

There's so many moments.

Um, you know, I, I think the, the defining moments are when, when you're struggling to, uh, just get through the day-to-day and realizing how, how torn you are between your obligations, um, to your job.

Uh, the military is, is all-encompassing and, you know, you're watching, uh, your relationships, uh, be challenged, and you realize, um, that who you are, uh, is becoming more of the world, more of the military culture, and you're losing yourself a little bit.

And, um, you know, I, I, I can definitely say during, uh, deployments, um, particularly the last one in Afghanistan in, in the preparation for- Uh, that I became so focused on the mission, so focused on what I had to do-

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... that I, I think I was losing a bit of my humanity, and that I was, I was separating from God.

And, you know, there was, uh, a, a particular moment where, um, you know, we had a, a, we had a tough mission.