And I think we are on a very good track here.

You know, and just for that part of the discussion, Arno, you know, I too have had a lot of experiences in Europe.

I'm North American vetted, but I was a lead hunting instructor certified by the Bavarian authorities in Germany.

where US and Canadian troops stationed there that had to pass the German hunting course before they could get a hunting license because of the status of armed forces agreement.

I've lectured at the University in Oss in Norway.

I was a guest lecturer at the University in Freiburg in Germany.

And there's been some really interesting perspectives I've taken.

Do you want to touch a little bit on those? Because many will find CIC as one of our critical partners.

How do we instill that within our community?

You know, the unlimited seasons in Montana are the classic example of trying to get guys not to shoot the first legal ram they see, but to hunt and find a mature, an older age ram.

And so, you know, even to that extent, there's a... we're helping Montana Wild Sheep Foundation work with the department to develop a video and some educational materials that will go out with hunter packets for unlimited seasons that actually do just that.

So part of it is education.

You know, it's really fascinating in Central Asia, Eight-year-old ram, eight-year-old ram or older is what usually is harvested in Central Asia.

And we don't quite have that same mentality in our harvest strategies in the U.S. and Canada, but I do think that education, explaining the value, much as both Kevin and Bill already have, of that having some of those older age rams in the harvest as a reflection of we're letting animals get to that age to pass on their knowledge to the younger generation.

is really important.

As long as there's attention paid and the funding that goes with it, I guess I'm an optimist there.

I wanna go back a little further with both of you.

I'll start, start a little bit in North America and start where Corey left off.

You know, the, the sale of the conservation permit for a state.

You know, a state will grant us the authority to auction off a conservation permit or to a state or a province or even our, our tribal First Nations.

And it's just usually one or two permits at the most, but usually one.

That allows the state to maximize, at least in the US, where we have Pittman Robertson, it allows them to maximize the amount of money that they can get on a three-to-one match, because it's revenue generated outside the state boundary and then donated back to the state.

And that's significant when Corey talked about how other species do pay their way and actually pay for a lot of other species' work that don't generate funds.

Sure.