Yeah

... which kind of led me to then investing off the balance sheet of the firm, which then led toOf starting companies.

You know, we had MBAs and engineers and designers on staff, and we began to build products and turn those into real businesses, and some of them turned into real, real businesses during that process.

So I'd gotten kind of a backdoor education in entrepreneur...

Obviously, I was operating a small business, but got this kind of backdoor education in early-stage finance and operating venture-backed software and technology companies.

So in 2015, three of my very good friends who I had, had served or worked with in various capacities during that 15 years, um, they were rolling out of Salesforce by way of the Exact Target acquisition, and we did the proverbial two days in the woods in the cabin to talk about what would the next 20 years of our look li- uh, of our life look like, and what might it look like if we designed our dream job.

And the output of that was, was High Alpha, which as you mentioned, it's fundamentally a venture fund, um, but it's a venture fund that also likes to make its own luck.

Yeah.