What was that journey like for you in terms of having this very creative, I mean, published poet, all these different things, this creative background to now working to where you are today?

Yeah, you know, this is an interesting journey and really a lesson in following what I call the energy breadcrumbs.

Both of my degrees, my bachelor's and my master's, are in directing theater.

And from that, I learned a lot.

And I think anyone that has a, you know, liberal arts or creative background, you can take a lot of those skills and transfer them into the corporate world.

And so once I had kids, it was, I decided I couldn't do theater anymore.

I needed to transition to a regular paycheck.

Like it's the both hand, like you were talking about previously.

I heard

it for the first time.

And he handed me three companies that he thought I should go check out to see who I should get certified with.

And off I went on the coaching career.

And in the meantime, though, I consulted.

I went back to the corporate world, but on my own terms.

So I needed to still have income.

let's talk about that more and then don't fill it into the book because yeah so yeah yeah