consumerism and I'm quite

like non-consumerist as much as possible and I even think which is a sort of terrible thing to say because I'm all for sort of books and the arts and so on and so forth but I even think there's too much choice in the amount of new stuff that comes out all the time because you can't consume it all and it means you're just all in your own echo chambers Sort of, you know, spoon feeding yourself with things that you want to hear and want to know.

And I remember when actually I left Blue Peter, I was asked, because we started up the Blue Peter Book Awards while I was on Blue Peter, basically, obviously, I had a sort of young audience at my fingertips.

And I was...

And this is going back to, you know, I would say a bit more pre every sort of celeb or whatever brings out a product range and brings out a children's book and then writes their memoir and blah, blah, blah, blah, all that sort of stuff.

And I remember I was asked, would you write a children's book? And I was very much of the thinking, first of all, going back, it used to be a bit more like stay in your lane.

I think back then, Ricky Gervais was sort of the only celebrity I can think of off the top of my head that sort of has nothing to do with sort of children's that had bought out flannels at the time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love dark chocolate, even if it's really dark.

Like, I just love chocolate.

But I don't like things to be so sickly sweet that I, then I need a bit of dilution, if that makes sense.

So if it's like, like, I don't know, some full-on chocolate dessert, I might need a bit of vanilla ice cream on the side just to dilute it up a bit.

Yeah.

Yeah

... laid them neatly on the floor, lay down, used my own towel as a blanket, and went straight back to sleep.