Would you tell us that story?

Sure.

Uh, I think it was almost, uh, 10 years ago, so the mother-assisted C-section has its first anniversary next year.

And, um, there was this, uh, pregnant woman, and she was with her doula.

And she ca- firstly went to another hospital, uh, and they, where she asked for a mother-assisted C-section, and they, uh, declined.

And her doula, I know that doula for several years, so we worked a lot together.

So she said, "We should visit Koen and try to see what he has to say." There she, uh, she, she came over to my hospital, and the doula didn't prepare me, so I was a little bit surprised [laughs] when she asked me about mother-assisted C-section because I vaguely heard about it, and I saw some pictures.

Go for it.