What is your view on meditation now? Do you see any changes in why people join like a long time ago when you started and now when people join? Do you see any difference? And what is meditation for you?

Good question.

So what is meditation? Viviane, we're sitting here right now.

That is meditation.

Back then, you know, people came with a big question, maybe something hadn't worked out so much in their lives.

And nowadays, like you said, many people want like calmness, listress, sleep better, maybe empty their heads, you know, and that's totally fine, that's all good.

But when we sit down, you know, and start sitting, then there is no calm there.

What's your thoughts on that?