But I think, but do

you not think that's a rhetoric that's being sold to us as a whole? And I think because women are so much easier to sell to.

Yeah.

And then obviously we're saying, oh, we want these emotionally available men and stuff like that.

So men are becoming softer, which is, I mean, men do need to be able to cry and express themselves and whatever.

Yeah.

But, I think we are creating such a soft society.

what's one thing that you feel you've learned about yourself and what it means to be a wife in your marriage and then your husband what it means for his part in your marriage as well over the past 13 years