It's a very big

question.

Well, I think number one, I think the design industry can work a lot harder to demonstrate what jobs there are in design.

And so what are the career opportunities? Because I think if you do come from a background where going to university is going to be really challenging financially...

that you want to know that the odds of getting a job and paying back that debt are in your favour.

And, yeah, I'm not sure that that is clear for, you know, studying products or industrial design.

So I think a lot more work needs to be done, you know, in schools and for parents to help support those decisions.

But yeah, what's kind of getting you kind of fired up?