Yeah, I mean, when we think about

tariffs, I think about them all as being stupid.

We started from the point of what are these stupid tariffs? Why are we living in a protectionist world? We spent a long, long time, most of my career, not living in a very protectionist world.

So yeah, all tariffs are dumb is sort of my starting point.

But in this world that we're living in, are these ones dumb? They don't feel dumb to me.

And when you see how many Canadians are supporting this, a lot of people are saying, well, what else would we do? We wanted a trade deal.

I think people believe in Canada that Canada wanted a trade deal and negotiated that in good faith.

Kirstie, whatever we think about whether these are good ideas or bad ideas, surely one test will be whether they work, right? Are they going to change behavior? Are they going to make us buy Canadian? I think probably they will, right?