Like, it's tough being down there a while and getting, like, you can kinda get stuck, they say, a little.

Yeah.

I, I think a lot of it's, like, I interviewed for a lot of assistant jobs when I was in Reading, and it was like, I didn't really wanna be an assistant, but, like, that's kinda the only path, um, that the way it is now.

And then, uh, there's kinda some connections and with Dubuque and kinda Monty had reached out on my behalf and, and, um, kinda I actually interviewed there the year before when Greg Brown, who's at Boston College now, got the job.

And then kinda I'd heard rumblings through the year of Callie Larsen, who's now with the Oilers, was at the GM.

Uh, we'd kept in touch through that '21, '22 season and kinda went through the interview process again, and they offered me the job.

And, you know, I, I wasn't really interested in, in the college game at the time.

Is there, is that, like, a big difference compared to just being at Dubuque, obviously?