That was just

an off-ramp.

He was a useful detour, but does not need to be the one.

But I think I felt so guilty, like I had just blown up my whole life, so it took me a while to figure out.

But it really began the pleasure journey.

I think what's scary about just opening up with this is that there are so many people who are afraid that if they, like, is having an affair required? Is leaving your husband required? And it's like, no.

But what I think is if more pleasure had been part of my life and more conversation about what do I really want? Who am I really? What does it even feel to be in desire? I just wouldn't have been in that situation in the first place.

Yeah, a little turned on.

It

was like, oh yeah, whether that was on purpose or not, this is what we do.

We don't know how to handle like a powerful woman, actually.

And the quickest way to write her out of like an authoritative role in history is to call her a whore.

And it felt kind of like...

I don't know.

It's not exactly like I felt like that had happened to me or that had happened to all of us, but there was like a hint of that.

That's, yeah, that's the good part for women listening who just to give like a little tangible piece here as we start to close, what would you say would be like one or two things that women can start doing now to access all the things we're talking about? If it feels like this is like an abstract topic that we've been talking about this whole time, what are some things they can do to start tapping into that? Yeah.