It's not fun.

And so I guess you have to pay it.

[laughs] Um, so yeah, it w- it oddly very similar to g- because, you know, Jack is just like the angel to us all.

Um, so as I was, I was, uh, as I mentioned, I was just there as, as an actor at first, and then he had me start teaching classes.

And it's like then people just, you know, somebody, o- one of the parents was like, "My son has an audition.

Can you help him? Can you help him pr- prepare for the audition?" I was like, I looked at Jack, and he's like, "Yes, she can." I'm like, "Oh, okay." So, you know, at first it's like trying to figure out what you're doing.

And, you know, now years later, it's been, like I said, it's, I'm going on over 25 years.

[laughs]