What do you think is missing from our current policy framework for addressing how parental substance use disorders impact child welfare involvement?

One, I think education.

We were all brought up, whether we want to admit it or not, with a frame, a punitive frame around substance use.

And so one piece is education and education, non-punitive, non-judgmental education.

I think the other piece that's working is that needs to happen in that education is a better understanding of CAPTA.

There's this absolute belief that CAPTA says that any child who his mom uses a substance absolutely has to report a child welfare.

That is so not true.

If you were taking that approach and like starting from scratch today, is there anything from our current approach that you personally dislike, but would say that's actually a necessary component of how this works for whatever reason?