But I would argue, having practiced this now for many decades,

Believe me, I still have my own thoughts like you do, like, oh, my God, my to do list.

But if I'm really honest, in the moments when I honor that call to be still or to take a rest, even if it's a 20 minute walk down to the beach near my house and to sit in the grass for five minutes.

I come back so refreshed, so energized.

Often I have an innovative way to approach something that I wouldn't have thought of when I was in that deep, I gotta do, I gotta do, I gotta do mode.

And so as challenging as it is, and it is challenging even for me.

And like I said, I have been walking the wheel of the year for almost 30 years now.

Can you talk a little bit about that?