So what advice or what have you seen in your practice of challenges people walk through, and how do you encourage them?

Yeah, I think one of the things I see with a number of couples that I talk to is, you know, things, maybe they've, uh, two, three, four, maybe five years before having kids in their marriage- And they're doing really well, and everything's just going along.

They think, "Oh, our marriage is in a great place.

Uh, we're just ready to have kids." And then a child comes, and things change because-- And I think people can tell you about the changes that occur, but it's, it's not until you really experience that.

It's not until you're so tired you can hardly, you know, make it to the bathroom [laughs] or, or to brush your teeth or, or anything because- Yeah ... you're so exhausted at that time.

And I think what I see in so many couples is they-- it's a time that they were so connected, and they begin to not be as connected as they were before.

Mm-hmm.

Mm